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Help required with 1700 and 1800 electrics

Maandag 02 mei 2011 - 20:07:59
LouJ
LouJ
I arrived at Amsterdam Centraal from Utrecht on Friday 29th April 2010 and a few kilometres before arriving I saw a large number of 1700 and 1800 electrics out of use. I think these locos were used for push-pull services until delivery of new electric units.

Has anyone got a list of which electric locos are stored at this location?

Any help would be appreciated.

Maandag 02 mei 2011 - 20:20:24
bjornl
bjornl
You probably mean the Dijksgracht (Dgr) yard. All 1800 locos have been set aside along with the DDM-1 carriages; the locos that were recently seen here are:
1824
1832
1833
1835
1836
1839
1843
1844
1845
1846
1849
1851

Some 1700 class locos have also been set aside. Locos that have been seen at Dgr recently:
1729
1737
1754
1762
1771
1772
1774
1775

Maandag 02 mei 2011 - 20:51:44
bogger
bogger
Although these locos aren't really stored because of the arrival of new units. NS(Dutch Railways) is slowly phasing out the use of locos.

Some of the carriages are not used anymore, and other ones are being revised and assembled as a trainset which consists completely out of 'carriages' so to speak, where the power units are in/on/under some of the carriages

Nothing to worry about though, it will take a while before we will see the last loco leave

Dinsdag 03 mei 2011 - 03:51:30
ruysdael
ruysdael
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LouJ (ma 02 mei 2011 20:07:59 www.somda.nl): I think these locos were used for push-pull services
Only the 1700 electrics were used for push-pull services. Primarily, the 1800 electrics have recently been used in combination with the train type: DDM-1 (double deck). This type of train is currently not used in regular train services, so the 1800's aren't necessary any longer. Recently some of the 1800's did show up in de Intercityservice from Schiphol Airport to Berlin, but i don't know if this still happens nowadays. Maybe an other user can figure that out?

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Dinsdag 03 mei 2011 - 09:11:33
Jannn2009
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For sure they did show up in the IC-service to Berlin, but i haven't seen any of the 1800's on this train since the DDM-1 coaches are out of service (I believe they both went out of service at the same time). Some of the 1800's were used for transfering other locs or coaches without passengers.

Laatst bewerkt door Jannn2009 op Dinsdag 03 mei 2011 om 09:12:07


Dinsdag 03 mei 2011 - 09:34:07
bjornl
bjornl
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maccerr (di 03 mei 2011 03:51:30 somda.nl): Only the 1700 electrics were used for push-pull services.
1700 locos are used in push-pull services with DD-AR (double deck) coaches and with ICR coaches. They were and are still used to pull other (currently mostly international) trains.
1800 locos were also used to pull "other" trains, but they were also used in push-pull services with DDM-1 (double deck) coaches.

Dinsdag 03 mei 2011 - 09:45:12
Dre
Dre
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maccerr (di 03 mei 2011 03:51:30 somda.nl): Recently some of the 1800's did show up in de Intercityservice from Schiphol Airport to Berlin, but i don't know if this still happens nowadays. Maybe an other user can figure that out?
Haven't seen them around here recently... (and this service practically runs along my house). All Schiphol-Berlin trains are being pulled by 1700 loco's nowadays (for the Dutch part that is of course).

Laatst bewerkt door Dre op Dinsdag 03 mei 2011 om 09:47:10

Dinsdag 03 mei 2011 - 10:39:52
john2
john2
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Dinsdag 03 mei 2011 - 20:19:23
MDDM
MDDM
Alle 1800 locs die nu op de Dgr staan
1830
1823
1834
1828
1827
1831
1839
1837
1829
1824
1832
1833
1835
1836
1840
1843
1844
1845
1846
1848
1849
1851
1854

Alle 1700 locs die op de Dgr staan:
1729
1734
1737
1754
1762
1770
1771
1774
1775

Gr Joop mcn Lls

Dinsdag 03 mei 2011 - 20:27:13
LouJ
LouJ
Thanks for your help.

During my journey I saw 1700 class electrics and was wondering where they worked. I did see some on push-pull services at Amsterdam Centraal and another one at Utrecht on an IC train.

It is good that they are still working as sadly I think Holland (like Britain) is gradually becoming an "EMU only zone".

PS Sorry to be posting in English - sadly my Dutch is very limited so please accept my apologies.

Laatst bewerkt door LouJ op Dinsdag 03 mei 2011 om 20:28:36

Dinsdag 03 mei 2011 - 21:11:07
Bert13
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Don't be sorry, I'm glad you asked it!
And if people mind the English, Google Translate is a helpful friend, if necessairy.

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Dinsdag 03 mei 2011 - 21:59:54
daniel81
daniel81
You can find locomotives 1700 in a.o. these services:

IC Schiphol Airport-Bad Bentheim (-Berlin)
IC Roosendaal-Zwolle (app. 1/2 of all trains)
IC Den Haag centraal-Venlo (also not al trains)
IC Schiphol-Amsterdam Centraal-Lelystad
IC Schiphol-Amsterdam Zuid-Lelystad
IC Amsterdam Centraal-Zandvoort
Sprinter Amsterdam-Centraal-Haarlem-Uitgeest.

Woensdag 04 mei 2011 - 00:51:50
Pim530
Pim530
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Don't forget these:

Semi-fast train Breda - Dordrecht - Amsterdam C
Local train Dordrecht - Rotterdam - The Hague - Schiphol Airport - Hilversum - Utrecht C
Intercity Utrecht C - Hilversum - Almere C
Local train Utrecht C - Amersfoort - Zwolle


Woensdag 04 mei 2011 - 04:16:10
ruysdael
ruysdael
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LouJ (di 03 mei 2011 20:27:13 www.somda.nl):
It is good that they are still working as sadly I think Holland (like Britain) is gradually becoming an "EMU only zone".
Yeah unfortunetaly youre completely right. You should go to Germany, there are many more types of loco's in service than in Holland...

Woensdag 04 mei 2011 - 18:29:59
thom
thom
I think replacing of dieselloco's for electric ones as we speak in Britain en the Netherlands is no else for Germany actualy...

Laatst bewerkt door thom op Woensdag 04 mei 2011 om 18:31:35

Woensdag 04 mei 2011 - 19:29:59
broek53
broek53
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MDDM (di 03 mei 2011 20:19:23 www.somda.nl): Alle 1800 locs die nu op de Dgr staan
1830
1823
1834
1828
1827
1831
1839
1837
1829
1824
1832
1833
1835
1836
1840
1843
1844
1845
1846
1848
1849
1851
1854
It seemes to have escaped everybody's attention, but since 21 and 22 april more engines have been stashed away on Dijksgracht (be it rather hidden away):
1842, 1847, 1850, 1853, 1857, 1858. Which means that only 1855 is not there; it is on Watergraafsmeer nearby, also out of service.
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Alle 1700 locs die op de Dgr staan:
1729
1734
1737
1754
1762
1770
1771
1774
1775
Plus 1731 and 1748. Also out of service: 1755 on Watergraafsmeer, coopled with 1855 (what's in a number)

Laatst bewerkt door broek53 op Woensdag 04 mei 2011 om 19:30:33

Woensdag 04 mei 2011 - 19:55:01
TheKnitter
TheKnitter
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Wat hier nu dan al niet behandeld is, begrijp ik geen bal van. Ik dacht dat Somda Nederlands was (TS kan ook Translate gebruiken):
"1) Probeer de berichten in leesbaar Nederlands te schrijven,"
Of begrijp ik iets fout

Laatst bewerkt door TheKnitter op Woensdag 04 mei 2011 om 19:55:21

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Woensdag 04 mei 2011 - 19:56:34
Bert13
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Voor deze ENE keer, kunnen we de man toch in netjes Steenkolenengels antwoord geven, elkaar een dienst bewijzen mag ook wel eens. Bovendien staat de inleiding op "Mijn Somda" ook in het Engels, als je niet ingelogd bent.

Laatst bewerkt door Bert13 op Woensdag 04 mei 2011 om 19:56:54

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Woensdag 04 mei 2011 - 20:05:28
broek53
broek53
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TheKnitter (wo 04 mei 2011 19:55:01 www.somda.nl): Wat hier nu dan al niet behandeld is, begrijp ik geen bal van. Ik dacht dat Somda Nederlands was (TS kan ook Translate gebruiken):
"1) Probeer de berichten in leesbaar Nederlands te schrijven,"
Of begrijp ik iets fout
Er staat "probeer". Aangezien mij dat niet lukt, probeer ik het ook eens in het angelsaksisch

Woensdag 04 mei 2011 - 20:07:42
admin
Moderator
admin
Precies. Af en toe Engels is geen enkel probleem.

Met vriendelijke groet, Peter van der Leek

Woensdag 04 mei 2011 - 20:33:00
MDDM
MDDM
@Broek53, de loc's in mijn lijstje zijn de gene die ik vanuit de cabine heb kunnen waarnemen. Bedankt voor je aanvullende nummers.

Gr Joop mcn Lls